neil: i think it's a deficit. >> no, it's 17 times our debt. pretty close there. neil: i was talking to charlie rangel earlier on this issue, and he more or less tried to make fun of the notion of imujts themselves, whether they are on time or late, regardless, you know, no one really sticks to them, and actually in truth, he's right about that, but he duds make a mockery of the process, not only when you propose budgets late, and other presidents who have done this before. he's developed into an art form, obviously, but when you don't stick to them in the thing, and you blow them away by spending far more than is allocated in them. what do you think of this in >> well, i think submitting a budget's important besides the fact it's required by law because it's the blueprint for where we go forward fiscally, and you have to abide by the law. what congress is doing between the ryan budget and murray budget, we're going nowhere fast, and essentially, the question is is president obama going to put forth a budget, stick his neck out, modernize entitlements? guess what,